29 February 2016
Jesse Norman MP, Melvyn Bragg, Martin Moore and David Pannick discussed the future of BBC Independence in the second event co-hosted by the Mile End Institute and the BBC on the review of the BBC's Charter.Time: 6:30pm
Venue: Institute of Mechanical Engineers, One Birdcage Walk, SW1H 9JJ
The Mile End Institute co-hosted a debate with the BBC on the review of the BBC's Charter, focusing on the issue of the BBC's independence.
Dame Colette Bowe, former Chairman of Ofcom and President of the Voice of the Listener & Viewer
Lord (David) Pannick QC barrister and cross-bench peer
Dr Martin Moore, Director of the Centre for the Study of Media, Communication and Power, King's College London
Lord (Melvyn) Bragg, broadcaster and writer, Labour peer
Jesse Norman Conservative MP, Chair of Culture, Media & Sport Committee
Jesse Norman MP, Chairman of the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, warned there is a danger of “living in cloud cuckoo land” when it comes to the competitive pressures facing the BBC
"The licence fee is under real pressure. You’ve got a relatively high cost institution, obeying very high quality standards, and you’ve got a licence fee settlement which is premised on people behaving in ways that they are almost certain not to behave in over the next ten years. There is a real challenge: how to reduce costs but make the BBC more resilient.”
Speaking to an audience that included Tony Hall, Director-General of the BBC, and former Cabinet Secretary Lord (Gus) O’Donnell, Mr Norman addressed directly the question of whether the BBC would be better served by statutory regulation in place of its current Royal Charter. He said that his Committee was open to the idea of statutory legislation but cautioned that those advocating such a shift “should be careful what you wish for”.
“Is legislation really such a good idea? Let’s not forget that a Charter is, in a sense, less political. Yes it gives the Executive more discretion…but the issue is not being kicked around the floor of the House of Commons in a way that definitely would politicise much discussion about the BBC, so I think it has some advantages.”
David Pannick QC, Barrister and Crossbench Peer, disagreed, describing the Charter as an “anomaly” and a “historical accident”.
“A Royal Charter has very substantial disadvantages for the BBC and the public. It has very considerable advantages for Ministers, compared with legislation. Ministers enjoy the ability to define the contents of each Royal Charter free from parliamentary control and public scrutiny.
“It’s right of course that there is a danger for the BBC in statutory regulation – Parliament may produce an unsatisfactory regulatory scheme. My advice to the BBC is that it would be far better to arrive at a principled, coherent, statutory scheme – which sets out the relevant principles as to the function of the BBC, the scope of its services, its independence, and it’s funding.”
In an impassioned defence of the BBC, broadcaster and Labour peer Melvyn Bragg said that the licence fee should be increased.
“We live in a country which is fearful of losing its identity. A thousand years ago there was a debate on what was called the matter of Britain. It’s come around again, as these things do, especially in an island with profoundly rich traditions and a persistent need to re-examine itself. It’s not too much to ask, what is the matter of Britain now?
“In my view the BBC above all – more than the monarchy, more than Westminster, more than Whitehall, represents and is able most clearly to define the matter of this troubled, inventive, extraordinary immigrant country. We cannot afford to see it weaken.”
Read the transcript of our first event: